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eva2000 01-02-2007 07:40 PM

Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 B2 + P5B Deluxe
 
Up until now, I've only played with B1 Step 5 ES sample core 2 duo cpus. So I decided it's time I purchased my first brand new retail B2 stepping cpu - a Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 :D

System:
  • Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 L627A872 B2 Step 6
  • Swiftech G4 Storm/Thermochill 120.3/MCP650 + Kayl 100W Custom PSU
  • Asus P5B Deluxe 0804 bios (upgraded from 0405 bios)
  • 128MB Gainward FX5200 PCI card
  • 2GB OCZ PC2-8000 Titanium Alpha VX2
  • 500GB Seagate 7200.10 SATAII
  • LiteOn 165H DVD-ROM
  • FDD
  • 1KW OCZ ProXStream 1000PXS Quad PCI-E psu

Bios Settings:
Quote:

AI Tuning: Manual
CPU Frequency: 266FSB
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-533
PCI Express Frequency: 100
PCI Clock Synchronization Mode: 33.33Mhz
Spread Spectrum: Disabled
Memory Voltage: 2.1
CPU Vcore Voltage: 1.325v (1.288v bios same as AUTO)
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.2
NB Vcore: 1.25
SB Vcore (SATA/PCIE): AUTO
ICH Chipset Voltage: AUTO

Memory Remap Feature: Disabled
Configure DRAM Timing by SPD: Disabled
DDRAM CAS# Latency: 4
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 4
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 4
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 12
DRAM Write Recovery Time: 6
DRAM TRFC: 42
DRAM TRRD: 10
Rank Write to Read Delay: 10
Read to Precharge Delay: 10
Write to Precharge Delay: 10
Static Read Control: Disabled 10

Modify Ratio Support: Enabled
Ratio CMOS Setting: 11x
CIE Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
PECI: Disabled
Stock Speed:

CPU idle:
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B.../cpuz_idle.png

CPU Prime95 v25.1v small ffts load:
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...ime95_load.png

CPU Prime95 v25.1v small ffts post load idle:
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...tload_idle.png

Interesting my X6800 temps are pretty uniform across coretemp, AI Suite, Asus PC Probe2, Everest Ultimate v3.50, TAT and Rivatuner 2.0 Final + Core2 temp plugin.

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B..._monitored.png

eva2000 01-02-2007 07:40 PM

Re: Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 B2 + P5B Deluxe
 
The corners do seem to be lower than the middle of the IHS.. which is better than the other way round :)

http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/cpu...arrived_07.JPG

Temps are really nice prime95 small ffts load at 9x400FSB at 1.39v is only 47-52C coretemp load.. that's like 14-20C cooler delta temps than my E6600/E6700 B1 at same clock and vcore! Guess there's a reason X6800 costs 3x times more than E6600 :)

Interesting, this has to be the first Core2 cpu I have had that jumped so much in temps under Prime/Stressprime small ffts load before. Usually, when i prime load test, my Core2 cpus final max cpu coretemp load temp is only ~2C higher than when you just start prime tests and that takes 2-4+ hrs to get there. For example, if you start priming core2 will say hit 60C, after 2-24hrs later it usually hovers around ~62C.

Well this X6800 is different, at 9x400FSB at 1.4v prime started at coretemp load temps of 47-49C, but after a few minutes jumped to 52C.

CPU idle:
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B.../cpuz_idle.png

CPU load just started:
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...ime95_load.png

CPU load after a few minutes:
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...me95_load2.png

Seems it could be heat or more likely lack of vcore to get any higher since P5B DX max vcore is 1.7v which is 1.62v idle and 1.59v load. Best can do 1M stable is 4040-4050mhz at 1.62v idle. 4050mhz completed 1M but rebooted when loading Asus PC Probe2, so 4040mhz seems to be it for 9x multiplier at least.

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B..._validated.png

Super Pi 1M
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...-1m_single.png

Managed a brief prime95 load test at 3807mhz at 1.52v load vcore before it rebooted.

CPU idle:
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B.../cpuz_idle.png

CPU load:
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...ime95_load.png

Room temp rose a tad from 26C to 28.4C.

So basically from the brief testing I've done it is same as both my E6600 B1 Step 5 ES cpus in terms of max oc. Probably my E6600 B1s slightly better with 4005mhz at 1.62v 32M stable on P5B Deluxe and 4023-4043mhz at 1.66v on Asus P5B DH Deluxe versus X6800 1M stable at 4040mhz at 1.62v. But X6800 B2 L627A872 runs alot cooler at same vcore.

eva2000 01-02-2007 07:40 PM

Re: Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 B2 + P5B Deluxe
 
Let's start off with some simple Super Pi comparisons at the following clock speeds:
  • 9x360FSB 2:3 540mhz 4-4-4-4 at 2.4v bios set
  • 10x360FSB 2:3 540mhz 4-4-4-4 at 2.4v bios set
  • 11x359FSB 2:3 538mhz 4-4-4-4 at 2.4v bios set

Bios Settings:
Quote:

AI Tuning: Manual
CPU Frequency: 360 OR 359FSB
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1080 OR DDR2-1075
PCI Express Frequency: 100
PCI Clock Synchronization Mode: 33.33Mhz
Spread Spectrum: Disabled
Memory Voltage: 2.4
CPU Vcore Voltage: 1.4v, 1.45v and 1.65v (1.58v idle/1.56v load)
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.3
NB Vcore: 1.65
SB Vcore (SATA/PCIE): AUTO
ICH Chipset Voltage: AUTO

Memory Remap Feature: Disabled
Configure DRAM Timing by SPD: Disabled
DDRAM CAS# Latency: 4
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 4
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 4
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 12
DRAM Write Recovery Time: 2
DRAM TRFC: 25
DRAM TRRD: 3
Rank Write to Read Delay: 10
Read to Precharge Delay: 10
Write to Precharge Delay: 10
Static Read Control: Disabled 10

Modify Ratio Support: Enabled
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9x, 10x, 11x
CIE Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
PECI: Disabled
9x360FSB 2:3 540mhz 4-4-4-4 at 2.4v bios set

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...4m54s844ms.png

10x360FSB 2:3 540mhz 4-4-4-4 at 2.4v bios set
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...3m41s297ms.png

11x360FSB 2:3 540mhz 4-4-4-4 at 2.4v bios set

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...2m44s172ms.png

(note for 1.58v idle/1.56v load vcoe max 32M seems to be around 3950Mhz)

eva2000 01-02-2007 07:40 PM

Re: Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 B2 + P5B Deluxe
 
Definite proof that 4:5 on P5B Deluxe runs at much tighter chipset latencies compared with 2:3 divider.

11x359FSB 2:3 538mhz 4-4-4-4
vs
10x395FSB 4:5 493mhz 4-4-4-4


http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...2m44s172ms.png

vs

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...2m44s344ms.png

Higher FSB and 2mhz raw cpu clock higher might have helped but 45mhz difference in memory clocks.

Did a remount of Swiftech G4 Storm and managed to pull off single 32M @4Ghz but maxed out vcore on P5B Deluxe (1.62v idle and 1.59-1.60v load).

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B..._validated.png

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...2m35s953ms.png

Pushing up to 4025Mhz :D

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B..._validated.png

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...2m30s703ms.png

So Swiftech G4 Storm remount allowed me to gain 119mhz oc for 32M from 3950mhz max 32M to 4069mhz max 32M :)

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B..._validated.png

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...2m22s062ms.png

eva2000 01-02-2007 07:40 PM

Re: Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 B2 + P5B Deluxe
 
Slowly finding the balls to be a bit more adventurous and decided to do the Asus P5B Deluxe vdroop pencil mod :D I used a 2B pencil and about 4 strokes across resistor pictured with yellow line through it below:

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...pencil_mod.jpg

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Before vdroop pencil mod
- resistance was DMM measured at 80 ohm
- 1.325v bios set vcore = 1.280-1.288v bios monitored, 1.29v idle/1.27v load Asus PC Probe2 reported.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
After vdroop pencil mod
- resistance was DMM measured at 37.4 ohm
- 1.325v bios set vcore = 1.296v steady bios monitored, 1.30v idle/1.30v load Asus PC Probe2 reported.

I'm happy with that for now a reduction in vdroop by ~0.03v Asus PC Probe2 reported under load. Not going to be too greedy :D

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Before vdroop pencil mod @1.325v bios set
CPU Prime95 v25.1v small ffts load:
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...ime95_load.png

CPU Prime95 v25.1v small ffts post load idle:
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...tload_idle.png

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
After vdroop pencil mod @1.325v bios set
CPU Prime95 v25.1v small ffts load:
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...ime95_load.png

CPU Prime95 v25.1v small ffts post load idle:
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...tload_idle.png

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

3600Mhz use to take 1.45v (1.38v Asus PC Probe2 loaded), now with vdroop pencil mod 1.4125v (1.38v Asus PC Probe2 loaded) :)

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...ime95_load.png

3807mhz at 1.5875v bios (1.56v idle/1.552v load) :)

Idle
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...ime95_idle.png

Load
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...ime95_load.png

Going very nicely so far 3hrs 20+ minutes prime95 small ffts @3807Mhz at 1.552v! Was around 57-59C load temp at under 3hr mark, past 3hr mark seems to have jumped to 60-65C - very different from my E6600 B1 where even after 4-8+ hrs temps only rise 2-3C.

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...d_3hr_mark.png

Decided to stop it at the 4hr mark

Load
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...d_4hr_mark.png

Post Load Idle
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...01min_idle.png

eva2000 01-02-2007 07:40 PM

Re: Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 B2 + P5B Deluxe
 
At higher vcore above 1.6125v the initial pencil modded of drooping resistor from 80ohm to 37ohm resistance wasn't enough to prevent further vdroop. So whipped out the 2B pencil and dropped resistance down to 14.5 ohm. And now it's all good at least from bios perspective :)

Final outcome

http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mot...lmod_table.jpg

Improvements after vdroop pencil mod are amazing! Before the mod, 10x 400FSB = 4000Mhz would need 1.7v max vcore set in bios for 1.62v idle and 1.59v load. I could pass single Super Pi 32M but Systool dual 32M Pi would reboot at 50-80% mark - Systool dual 32M Pi is a good indicator of whether a setting is capable of dual Super Pi 32M.. Now with vdroop pencil mod, with vcore set to 1.65v in bios I get 1.616-1.624v idle and 1.624v load and now capable of Systool dual 32M Pi :D

Idle
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B.../cpuz_idle.png

Systool dual 32M Pi load
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...ol_dual32m.png

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...m_finished.png

eva2000 01-02-2007 07:40 PM

Re: Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 B2 + P5B Deluxe
 
Dual 32M @ 4000Mhz - 10x400FSB at 1.625v bios (1.592v)


Prior to doing the Vdroop pencil mod, my X6800 L627A872 cpu could pass single Super Pi 32M at 1.7v maxed vcore in bios (1.62v idle/1.59v load) but dual Super Pi 32M would reboot. Now with Vdroop pencil mod I can do Super Pi dual 32M at just 1.625v bios set (1.592v - 1.600v idle/load)!

Decided to do the full photo shoot of the event with the following applications opened as well:
  • 4x Cpuz windows
  • 1x coretemp
  • 1x Asus PC Probe2
  • 1x Asus AI Suite
  • 1x Memset
  • 1x Windows Task Manager window

You can see up to iteration #10 dual Super Pi 32M times were similar for each instance, but core0 (Super Pi on the right of screen) started to run slower probably due to all the applications opened as well. As you can see vcore reported didn't budge much and for some reason my X6800 L627A872 runs very cool - about 14-22C cooler than my E6600 B1 Step 5 ES cpus :)

Click image for larger photo.

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...l32M_01_tn.jpg http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...l32M_02_tn.jpg

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...l32M_03_tn.jpg http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...l32M_04_tn.jpg

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...l32M_05_tn.jpg http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...l32M_06_tn.jpg

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...l32M_07_tn.jpg http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...l32M_08_tn.jpg

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...l32M_09_tn.jpg http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...l32M_11_tn.jpg

Dual Super Pi 32M - idle before start

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...i-32m_idle.png

Dual Super Pi 32M - completed

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...i-32m_load.png

eva2000 01-02-2007 07:40 PM

Re: Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 B2 + P5B Deluxe
 
So how has Vdroop pencil mod helped max single Super Pi 32M clocks ?

Before Vdroop pencil mod
- max single Super Pi 32M = 4069Mhz at 1.7v bios set (1.62v/1.59v load)

After Vdroop pencil mod
- max single Super Pi 32M = 4080Mhz at 1.65v bios set (1.62v idle/load)
- max single Super Pi 32M = 4091Mhz at 1.675v bios set (1.65v idle/load)

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B..._validated.png

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...2m18s172ms.png

Note room temps have dropped from 27-31C to 24-28C! So maybe that helped along with more steady vcore under load :)

More proof that 4:5 divider on P5B Deluxe is alot tighter wound than 2:3. Only ~2 seconds faster with 11x372FSB and 2:3 for 558mhz 4-4-4-4 memory clocks.

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B..._validated.png

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...2m16s282ms.png

Slightly better by ~0.4 seconds by booting at 333FSB instead of 372FSB and clockgen up to 372FSB.

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...2m15s844ms.png


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