Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe + Asus P5W DH Deluxe
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| Administrator | Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe + Asus P5W DH Deluxe Thanks to Asus, I finally got my hands on a Asus P5W DH Deluxe for the sole purpose of cranking out some nice benchmarks. This board is the newly revised P5W DH which later P5W DH Deluxes will feature a higher max MCH volts of 1.85v Full pictures: http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mot.../asus/P5WDH/1/ System:
General observations and notes:
Dual Stressprime 2004 'Orthos' dual core testing: Note: 1. vdimm of 2.1v in bios shows up as 2.15v in AI Booster. ------------------------------------------------------ Stock 2400mhz at 1.242v vcore (AUTO): vCore = AUTO fsb = AUTO vdimm = 2.1v MCH = AUTO ICH = AUTO Idle: AI Booster = 20C Coretemp = 29-30C Load: AI Booster = 29C Coretemp = 37-39C ------------------------------------------------------ 3207mhz at 1.242v vcore (AUTO): vCore = AUTO fsb = AUTO vdimm = 2.1v MCH = AUTO ICH = AUTO Idle: AI Booster = 19C Coretemp = 28-29C Load: AI Booster = 31C Coretemp = 41C ------------------------------------------------------ 3558mhz at 1.38v vcore idle 1.35-1.36v load: vCore = 1.4v fsb = 1.3v vdimm = 2.1v MCH = 1.55v ICH = AUTO Idle: AI Booster = 21C Coretemp = 30-31C Load: AI Booster = bugged display Coretemp = 48=50C ------------------------------------------------------ Seems to be about the same as on my Intel D975XBX when @3600mhz at 1.376-1.384v vcore load (Badaxe needed 1.371v vcore) but with P5W DH needed to raise MCH volts from 1.55v to 1.65v P5W DH consistently needs around 0.05v more vcore under load than what i needed on Intel D975XBX Badaxe heh.vCore = 1.425v fsb = 1.3 vdimm = 2.1v MCH = 1.65 ICH = AUTO ![]() Super Pi @9x400fsb = 3600Mhz 1:1 4-4-4-12 at 2.1v 32M Single = 14min 21.421s 32M Dual = 16min 12.000s / 16min 13.437s Isolated memory clock tests: Now that I've found a nice stable reference clock to work with (3600mhz at 1.376v), it's time to fine a nice stable memory clock to work with using async upclock dividers. I used memtest86+ v1.65 and in windows Systool dual 32M PI (cpu test) runs to do some fairly quick tests. I've found if you can pass Systool dual 32M PI (cpu test) you can fairly easily pass Super Pi 32M single and dual instance tests ![]() Memtest86+ v1.65: All tests done at 4-4-4-12 4 timings:
Super Pi v1.5 - single and dual tests: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I set 800 (2:3) upclock divider to test my 2x1GB Gskill PC6400PHU2 HZ Micron D9s @4-4-4-12 4 timings. I set bios to: fsb = 334fsb vcore = 1.35v vdimm = 2.20v (AI Booster reports 2.3v) fsb = 1.3v mch = 1.65 ich = AUTO 334fsb with 2:3 upclock had the memory running at 501mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.2v. It failed Systool dual 32M PI (cpu test) near the end. So i dropped fsb from 334fsb to 333fsb via AI Booster app so that memory was running at 500mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.2v. At 500mhz 4-4-4-12 it passed Systool dual 32M PI test fine. So ran single and dual Super Pi v1.5 32M tests with the following results @9x333fsb = 3001Mhz: Super Pi @9x333fsb = 3001Mhz 2:3 500mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.2v 32M Single = 16min 21.859s 32M Dual = 17min 42.062s / 17min 39.641s ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now from quick memtests and Systool dual 32M PI (cpu tests) with 2.3v vdimm in bios, memory found it's stable mark at 513mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.3v. vcore = 1.35v vdimm = 2.30v (AI Booster reports 0.00v heh) fsb = 1.3v mch = 1.65 ich = AUTO Super Pi @9x342fsb = 3082Mhz 2:3 513mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.3v 32M Single = 15min 55.500s 32M Dual = 17min 14.547s / 17min 12.328s ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bump memory voltage to 2.35v vdimm in bios, and managed to get memory to 525mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.35v. vcore = 1.35v vdimm = 2.35v (AI Booster reports 6.54v LOL buggy heh) fsb = 1.3v mch = 1.65 ich = AUTO Super Pi @9x350fsb = 3154Mhz 2:3 525mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.35v 32M Single = 15min 30.609s 32M Dual = 16min 51.375s / 16min 48.594s ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bump memory voltage to 2.4v vdimm in bios, and managed to get memory to 533mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.4v. systool dual 32M PI (cpu test) failed near end of run at 534mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.4v, so using clockgen bumped it down to 533mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.4v which passed fine. vcore = 1.35v vdimm = 2.4v (AI Booster reports 0.01v) fsb = 1.3v mch = 1.65 ich = AUTO Super Pi @9x355fsb = 3200Mhz 2:3 533mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.4v 32M Single = 15min 20.453s 32M Dual = 16min 36.657s / 16min 33.500s So looks like for Super Pi v1.50 32M at least I've managed to get 2x1GB Gskill PC6400PHU2 2GBHZ Micron D9GMH to 533mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.4v. CPUZ Validation: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=114620 ![]() ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Next up.... finding P5W DH's max fsb limit at 1.65v MCH and 1.85v MCH ![]() . |
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| Administrator | Re: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe + Asus P5W DH Deluxe Max FSB Results: Now the fun part, finding the max fsb this P5W DH is capable of With FSB volts at 1.3v and MCH volts at 1.65v for now I managed being able to boot from bios at 9x442fsb = 3978Mhz at 1.54-1.55v. I tried 9x444fsb but not able to boot up. Whether that's a fsb limit of cpu/vcore/cooling limited not sure - will investigate later ![]() 9X442fsb = 3978Mhz CPUZ Validation: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=114677 click on image for full screenie ![]() Next I'd drop the cpu multiplier using Crystalmarkcpuid for 8x and see how high I can take the fsb still with MCH volts at 1.65v. To test max fsb, I decided to boot into windows from bios at 9x440fsb = 3960mhz at 1.575v vcore bios (1.54-1.57v windows load-idle) and then using Crystalmarkcpuid to drop from 9x to 8x cpu multiplier for tests. I used only Systool dual 32M PI (cpu test) and Super Pi v1.50 single and dual 32M tests to test max fsb. Bios Settings: vdimm = 2.2v vFSB = 1.3v vMCH = 1.65v vICH = AUTO Performance mode = AUTO Hyperpath3 = Disabled @8x440fsb = 3522mhz 1:1 memory @440mhz 4-4-4-12 4 I managed to pass single 32M Super Pi but one core failed dual 32M Super Pi with vMCH of 1.65v. Super Pi v1.50 single 32M = 14min 14.703s dual 32M = core 1 failed at 17th iteration Increased vMCH to 1.75v in bios and 8x440fsb dual 32M Super Pi completed with no problems. click image to see full screenshot ![]() How far can we take fsb with vMCH 1.75v ? Seems 447fsb was only good enough for single 32M Super Pi, as dual 32M failed. So dropped back to 445fsb which passed fine. @8x447fsb = 3576mhz 1:1 memory @447mhz 4-4-4-12 4 I managed to pass single 32M Super Pi but one core failed dual 32M Super Pi at 19th iteration on core #2 with vMCH of 1.75v. Super Pi v1.50 single 32M = 14min 04.844s dual 32M = core 2 failed at 19th iteration @8x445fsb = 3561mhz 1:1 memory @445mhz 4-4-4-12 4 Super Pi v1.50 single 32M = 14min 09.438s dual 32M = 15min 48.875s / 15min 46.640s ![]() Summary of max FSB tests: Right now it looks like for stock heatpipe cooling on MCH/NB: vMCH = max fsb 1.65v = ~438fsb 1,75v = ~445fsb 1.85v = not tested yet I guess the default chipset latencies are very tight and the factor of adequate MCH/NB cooling come into play. FCG's FSB scaling report at http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=105940 refers to better cooled MCH with MCH volt modded AFAIK. Also, I have yet to test simonmaltby's fsb scaling frequency tests in relation to memory timing options for tRD and tRFC http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=111400. |
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| Administrator | Re: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe + Asus P5W DH Deluxe
More memory testing... After testing 2 sets of 2x1GB Gskill PC6400PHU2 HZ Micron D9GMH memory, it seems pair #2 is doing much better than pair #3 so far ![]() Pair #2 * 510mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.20v * 519mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.25v * 523mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.30v * 533mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.35v * 541mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.40v vs Pair #3 * 501mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.20v * 513mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.25v * 525mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.35v * 534mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.40v Pair #2 of 2x1GB Gskill PC6400PHU2 HZ Micron D9GMH (0629) managed single 32M @542mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.4v and dual 32M @541mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.4v using default advance timings single 32M @542mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.4v ![]() dual 32M @541mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.4v |
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| Administrator | Re: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe + Asus P5W DH Deluxe
Unfortunately, my P5W DH with 0801 bios with 2x1GB Gskill PC6400PHU2 HZ Micron D9GMH (0629) doesn't seem to like 4:5 upclock divider past 378fsb (gives 472mhz mem) for now Nor does it like 2:3 beyond 360fsb (gives 541mhz mem). This is with manually set timings of 4-4-4-12 regardless of vdimm used. Haven't tried setting SPD for memory to boot yet.P5W DH i have doesn't seem to like 4-4-3 timings where tRP = 3 either, can't pass memtest86+ v1.65 higher than 460-472mhz 4-4-3 (manually set in bios) regardless of vdimm used or divider used. Same memory on Badaxe board did 488mhz 4-4-3-5 at 2.2v! But 1:1 seems best for E6600 due to max fsb limitations I wonder how far i can go just for testing single Super Pi v1.50 32M ![]() Testing max single Super Pi v1.50 32M: vdimm = 2.3v (seems to help stable things due to tighter timings at 1:1 clocks especially when you get closer to P5W DH's max FSB wall) Bios Settings: vFSB = 1.3v vMCH = 1.65v vICH = AUTO Performance mode = Standard Hyperpath3 = Disabled DDRAM Throttling = Disabled * All tests are straight boot from bios with manual timings set at 4-4-4-8 4 at 2.3v * All tests are untweaked with default P5W DH set timings. Have yet to even tweak with memset or drop tRP to 3 yet. @3807Mhz - 9x423fsb at 1.55v bios vcore = 1.508 bios 32M = 13min 41.797s @3897Mhz - 9x433fsb at 1.6v bios vcore 32M = 13min 16.672s @3924Mhz - 9x436fsb at 1.625v bios vcore 32M = 13min 09.953s @3942Mhz - 9x438fsb at 1.6375v bios vcore 32M = 13min 09.578s Hit max FSB limit of vMCH 1.65v, raised vMCH to 1.75v @3960Mhz - 9x440fsb at 1.65v bios vcore 32M = 13min 04.969s @3987Mhz - 9x443fsb at 1.6625v bios vcore = 1.64v windows idle and 1.61-1.63v load 32M = 13min 00.750s ![]() Yes I could sneeze and break 13min ![]() Now to try tighter memory timings of 4-4-3-8. I started to test at 9x437fsb = 3934Mhz 1:1. It seems for default P5W DH advance timings I can pass 32M find. But if I try tightening the advance timings in memset @437mhz 4-4-3-8 it will fail..... unless I loosen tRD from 6 to 7. Then I can tighten all the rest of the memset timings while keeping tRD at 7 ![]() Bios Settings: vCore = 1.65v vDIMM = 2.3v vFSB = 1.3v vMCH = 1.65v vICH = AUTO Performance mode = Standard Hyperpath3 = Disabled DDRAM Throttling = Disabled @3934Mhz - 9x437fsb, default P5W DH timings (left) vs memset tweaked timings with tRD set at 7. (right) Super Pi 32M = 13min 04.594s vs 13min 01.125s So decided to use Clockgen to boost fsb from 437fsb to 440fsb and guess what with tRD loosened to 7, it passed fine without needing vMCH of 1.75v! This was done with vMCH of 1.65v @3962Mhz - 9x440fsb 4-4-3-8 ![]() ![]() Time to try and max out this E6600 of mine ![]() vcore = 1.6625v bios = 1.64v idle windows /1.61-1.62v under load vdimm = 2.35v vFSB = 1.3v vMCH = 1.75 vICH = AUTO Performance Mode = Standard http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=115697 ![]() Max 32M so far @4011Mhz - 9x445fsb 1:1 4-4-3-8 ![]() ![]() @3986Mhz - 9x443fsb 1:1 4-4-3-8 |
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| Administrator | Re: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe + Asus P5W DH Deluxe Analysis of P5W DH memory 4:5 and 2:3 dividers I've been messing around with 4:5 and 2:3 dividers are lower FSB clocks and checking memset to see what values are being set since i'd having issues in memtest86+ v1.65 test #7 errors in high fsb 4:5 mode. In 2:3 I maxed out my memory @542mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.4v which showed the following memset timing values ![]() tRFC = 42 tRD = 6 Write to Precharge Cmd = 13 Write to Read Cmd = 10 Read-Write Turnaround CLKs = 8 Write-Read Turnaround CLKs = 6 tRTP = 5 Now in 4:5 mode the only changes in memset are for: tRFC = 35 Write to Precharge Cmd = 12 As you see it's tighter than at 2:3 set memset timings. So I booted into windows from bios at 9x378fsb 4:5 with memory at 472.5mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.3v and used clockgen to clock up incrementally to test the max FSB:MEM clocks and find out how loosening these memset options will effect max 4:5 FSB:MEM clocks. Results: Using Systool dual 32M PI (cpu test), I managed to use Clockgen to raise FSB from 378fsb to 394fsb (493mhz 4-4-4-12 for memory) before it started to fail/error out. This was still with default memset timings where tRD = 6. I then raised tRD from 6 to 7, and easily managed to raise FSB from 394fsb to 400fsb (500mhz 4-4-4-12 for memory) and pass the tests without errors! With tRD = 7, i could even tighten tRFC from 35 down to 20 with no problems. @3600Mhz - 9x400fsb 4:5 500mhz 4-4-4-8 at 2.3v (more vdimm allows to handle tigher tRFC values but tRD needed 7) ![]() So it does seem for 4:5 divider the culprit maybe tRD = 6. Now some folks managed to get high 4:5 clocks on P5W DH and I suspect this due to higher voltages or voltage mods on vdimm and vMCH as these two voltages help the memory/MCH handle the tight tRD value of 6 apparently. With enough voltage you could clock the memory higher for 4:5 ratio ![]() Seems to me that for 975x chipset, both the max FSB limits and inability to handle high fsb in 4:5 and 2:3 dividers all comes down to tRD being too tight at 6. How far you can take your FSB and clocks in async divider mode, depend on: 1. MCH/NB quality and latencies 2. MCH/NB cooling - better MCH/NB cooling = higher FSB and higher memory clocks 3. MCH Voltage 4. Memory modules used - if the memory can handle tRD = 6 well then it will clock higher, allowing high FSB 5. vDIMM - memory voltage helps memory handle tighter advance timings, thus higher max FSB
Single 32M @540mhz 4-4-4-8 at 2.4v ![]() Dual 32M @538mhz 4-4-4-8 at 2.4v ![]() And now tightening the rest of memset timings while tRD = 7 |
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| Administrator | Re: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe + Asus P5W DH Deluxe Radiical Chipset Waterblock Installation Time has come to remove stock heatpipe MCH/NB heatsink and replace it with Radiical.com.au chipset waterblock ![]() First, I cut a piece of sticky back insulation foam horizontally to a paper near paper thin height and stuck it on the 2 corners of MCH green PCB near the hooks. Just added precaution in case i crush the MCH chipset core heh. Second, I put some Microcool silver mosfet heatsinks on the mosfets near the cpu socket. Then mounted the Radiical chipset waterblock. I put a thermal probe on top of my chipset waterblock too. At 9x448fsb = 4032Mhz at 1.675v (1.65v) and 1.85v MCH volts, even the top of chipset block gets hot ~40.5C to 42.5C under 32m Super Pi load and ~20C idle at 1st boot and rises to around ~26C idle in windows and post 32M load around ~39.1C idle consistently. This is with 22.5C room temps. This really does say don't use 1.85v MCH volts on air cooled MCH/NB heatsinks as it must get bloody hot!!! I started with early memtest86+ v1.5 testing, hoping that water cooled MCH/NB would give me higher memory clocks like it did on Intel D975XBX Badaxe. Unfortunately, the improvement in memory clocks was minor at 2:3 divider. At 2:3 divider: * before stock heatpipe air cooled MCH = max memory clock was 542mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.4v * radiical chipset water cooled MCH = max memory clock 542mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.4v but could pass one loop of 545mhz 4-4-4-12 at 2.4v before memtest froze. At 4:5 divider improvement was a bit better than at 2:3 divider even though tRD is still set too tight at 6: * before stock heatpipe air cooled MCH = max fsb/mem clock before test #7 errored was at 378FSB with mem at 472mhz 4-4-4-12 * radiical chipset water cooled MCH = max fsb/mem clock before test #7 errored was now at 392FSB with mem at 490mhz 4-4-4-12 Max FSB at 1.65v MCH volts with dropping cpu multiplier to 8x, seems to still be around the same as on air at 438FSB. This could either mean I have a bad chipset waterblock mount, or it's not temps that is limiting FSB at 1.65v MCH volts but voltage itself or the memory used or more likely the tightness of the memset advance memory timings used. Even at 9x multiplier seems with 1.85v MCH the FSB limit has only improved a tad from 447FSB 32M to 448FSB 32M, it could be related to memset timings as i tightened them from the default to get the best 32M times or it could be due to vcore or cpu cooling since 9x448FSB is 4032Mhz ![]() I'm leaning to either too tight memset values or a bad chipset waterblock mount as I did have a bit of trouble mounting the 2nd thread hook to the motherboards' hooks, so will remount it a bit later. But for now still on first mount of chipset block, I managed to pull of a dozen runs of 32M at 9x448-449fsb testing different memset timings ![]() On stock heatpipe MCH heatsink best i could do was 9x447fsb = 4023mhz for 12min 43.609s Now with Radiical Chipset waterblock cooling MCH here's what i managed: @9x448fsb straight boot from bios and memset set tRFC = 26 and other timings dropped to what you see below ![]() @9x449fsb with tRD 7 ![]() @9x449fsb with tRD 6 ![]() Update: September 7, 2006 Interesting when setting up my phase change gear and transporting the chipset cooling loop over to the new position, I noticed the MCP350 pump outlet barb tubing had been kinked for a while now as you can see the tubing near the outlet barb had memory effect of a collapsed tubing... maybe this is a possible reason why i didn't gain much in max fsb on water cooled chipset ?? |
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P5W DH consistently needs around 0.05v more vcore under load than what i needed on Intel D975XBX Badaxe heh.







Nor does it like 2:3 beyond 360fsb (gives 541mhz mem). This is with manually set timings of 4-4-4-12 regardless of vdimm used. Haven't tried setting SPD for memory to boot yet.



























