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Posted 02-06-2010 at 04:19 AM by eva2000
Picked up 3 sets of 2x2GB Super Talent Speed series DDR3-2200 8-8-8-24 dual channel kits (WS220UX4G8) - these are Elpida 50nm Hyper ICs only ones capable of 8-8-8-24 timings at such DDR3-2200Mhz speeds.

While they're for P55 dual channel, I decided to mix these up for X58 triple channel too - not expecting 3x2GB modules to hit thos speeds at 1.65v but with a bit more volts should be okay for benching at least













Memtest86+ v4.10


Done preliminary memtest86+ v4.10 comparisons only with one full test #1-8 pass + 10 loops of test #5 looping. As stated here, memtest86+ v4.10 doesn't mean same windows stability, for that you need to test in windows.

3x 4GB (2x2GB) Super Talent 2200 8-8-8-24 Dual channel kits labeled each module
  • Kit #1 = module #1 + #2
  • Kit #2 = module #3 + #4
  • Kit #3 = module #5 + #6

Kit #1
  • DDR3-1600Mhz 6-6-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.375v CPU VTT and 1.66v
  • DDR3-1758Mhz 6-6-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.3875v CPU VTT and 1.66v
  • DDR3-1788Mhz 6-6-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.4375v CPU VTT and 1.70v
  • DDR3-1800Mhz 6-7-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.45v CPU VTT and 1.66v
  • DDR3-1820Mhz 6-7-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.45v CPU VTT and 1.66v
  • DDR3-1828Mhz 6-7-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.475v CPU VTT and 1.68v
  • DDR3-1850Mhz 6-7-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.475v CPU VTT and 1.72v (1.70v had 2 errors)
  • DDR3-1870Mhz 6-7-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.475v CPU VTT and 1.72v
  • DDR3-1880Mhz 6-7-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.475v CPU VTT and 1.74v
  • DDR3-2040Mhz 7-7-7-20 tRFC 110 tFAW 31 B2B 4 with 1.45v CPU VTT and 1.64v
  • DDR3-2076Mhz 8-8-8-24 tRFC 110 tFAW 31 B2B 4 with 1.45v CPU VTT and 1.66v
* Didn't try any higher for 7-7-7-20/8-8-8-24
* DDR3-1800 6-6-6-20 couldn't pass even with 1.475V CPU VTT


Kit #2
  • DDR3-1600Mhz 6-6-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.375v CPU VTT and 1.66v
  • DDR3-1800Mhz 6-6-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.475v CPU VTT and 1.70v
  • DDR3-1800Mhz 6-7-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.45v CPU VTT and 1.66v
  • DDR3-1850Mhz 6-7-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.475v CPU VTT and 1.70v
  • DDR3-1880Mhz 6-7-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.475v CPU VTT and 1.72v
  • DDR3-1900Mhz 6-7-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.475v CPU VTT and 1.74v
  • DDR3-2040Mhz 7-7-7-20 tRFC 110 tFAW 31 B2B 4 with 1.45v CPU VTT and 1.64v
  • DDR3-2086Mhz 8-8-8-24 tRFC 110 tFAW 31 B2B 4 with 1.45v CPU VTT and 1.66v
  • DDR3-2110Mhz 8-8-8-24 tRFC 110 tFAW 31 B2B 4 with 1.475v CPU VTT and 1.66v

Kit #3
  • DDR3-1600Mhz 6-6-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.375v CPU VTT and 1.66v
  • DDR3-1788Mhz 6-6-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.4375v CPU VTT and 1.70v
  • DDR3-1800Mhz 6-7-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.45v CPU VTT and 1.66v
  • DDR3-1850Mhz 6-7-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.475v CPU VTT and 1.72v
  • DDR3-1870Mhz 6-7-6-20 tRFC 88 tFAW AUTO with 1.475v CPU VTT and 1.74v
  • DDR3-2040Mhz 7-7-7-20 tRFC 110 tFAW 31 B2B 4 with 1.45v CPU VTT and 1.64v
  • DDR3-2076Mhz 8-8-8-24 tRFC 110 tFAW 31 B2B 4 with 1.45v CPU VTT and 1.66v
  • DDR3-2100Mhz 8-8-8-24 tRFC 110 tFAW 31 B2B 4 with 1.475v CPU VTT and 1.66v

How to compare results, basically came down to max 6-6-6-20, 6-7-6-20. and 8-8-8-24 timing memory frequencies at same voltages and subtimings to differentiate between the 3 kits.
  • Only Kit #2 managed DDR3-1800Mhz 6-6-6-20 at 1.7v, while Kit #1 & #3 fell just short at DDR3-1788Mhz 6-6-6-20 at 1.7v.
  • Max 6-7-6-20 timings frequency also saw Kit #2 lead at DDR3-1900Mhz 6-7-6-20 at 1.74v, then Kit #1 at DDR3-1880mhz 6-7-6-20 at 1.74v then last Kit #3 at DDR3-1870Mhz 6-7-6-20 at 1.74v
  • Kit #2 was also stronger on max 8-8-8-24 timings with DDR3-2086Mhz 8-8-8-24 at 1.66v capped at CPU VTT 1.45v (as you see bump CPU VTT volts theres more headroom at DDR3-2110Mhz).
  • Kit #1 + #3 tied at capped 1.45v CPU VTT at DDR3-2076Mhz 8-8-8-24 but push CPU VTT to 1.475v and Kit #2 beat out #3 kit DDR3-2110Mhz vs DDR3-2100Mhz 8-8-8-24 at 1.66v.

Final part of memtest is to find a module out of Kit #1 and #3, which best matches Kit #2 performance for 3x2GB custom binned kit

How's it compare to Kingston 2000C8 kit at KHX2000C8D3T1K3/6GX - Elpida MGH-E Hyper + Core i7 980X ? I'd say at each timings Kingston 2000C8 kit has around 20-25mhz (DDR3 equivalent of 40-50mhz i.e. DDR3-1850Mhz vs DDR3-1800Mhz) extra headroom over the Super Talent 2200C8 so far.

@DDR3-2058Mhz 7-7-7-21 at 1.66v





@DDR3-2214Mhz 8-8-8-24 1T at 1.70v





@DDR3-2384Mhz 8-8-8-24 1T at 1.70v


Max screen shot




@DDR3-2392Mhz 8-8-8-24 1T at 1.70v


Max CPUZ Validation





System:
  • Intel Core i7 980X 3951A763 B1 Step 2 ES
  • EK Supreme LT H20 + TFC480 + MCP655
  • Asus P6T6 WS Revolution 0609 beta bios
  • Sapphire HD5870 10.4 Official
  • 3x 2GB Super Talent Speed 2200C8 (made up of 2x2GB dual channel kits WS220UX4G8)
  • 750GB Samsung SATAII (OS)
  • 120GB OCZ Vertex SSD (DATA)
  • Pioneer DVR216 Burner
  • Corsair HX1000
  • Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit RTM (fully updated)

Another lot of memory for my planned comparison review so keep an eye in Intel DDR3 forums http://i4memory.com/f83/

Also check out Super Talent 2000C8 and 2200C8 thread.
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  1. Old Comment
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    Too lazy to take a better photo so found what PCB is used from existing photo - seems to be Brain Power PCB

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    Posted 02-06-2010 at 05:11 AM by eva2000 eva2000 is offline
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    Got off my lazy butt and did macro shots for clearer read on the markings on Super Talent PCB
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    Posted 02-06-2010 at 06:32 AM by eva2000 eva2000 is offline
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    Quick runs seeing as 2 modules out of 6 can do 900mhz 6-6-6-20 1T at 1.7v memtest86+ v4.10 and the other 4 modules only do 894mhz 6-6-6-20 1T at 1.7v memtest86+ v4.10, then for just single 32M Pi test, 6x2GB Super Talent 2200C8 falling in around:
    • 879Mhz 6-6-6-20 1T at 1.7v with CPU VTT 1.4125v
    • 885mhz 6-6-6-20 1T at 1.7v with CPU VTT 1.425v
    • 889mhz 6-6-6-20 1T at 1.72v with CPU VTT 1.4375v
    • 894mhz 6-6-6-20 1T at 1.72v with CPU VTT 1.44375v

    Bootable at 879Mhz 6-6-6-20 1T at 1.66v with CPU VTT 1.3875v






    879Mhz 6-6-6-20 1T at 1.7v with CPU VTT 1.4125v






    885mhz 6-6-6-20 1T at 1.7v with CPU VTT 1.425v




    889mhz 6-6-6-20 1T at 1.72v with CPU VTT 1.4375v




    894mhz 6-6-6-20 1T at 1.72v with CPU VTT 1.44375v




    900mhz 6-6-6-20 1T at 1.70v with CPU VTT 1.425v




    Update:

    Funny only just noticed in everest spd display, that the XMP Extreme DDR3-2200 profile for 8-8-8-24 also has a setting for 6-6-6-20 and look what mem frequency it is = 879mhz 6-6-6-20 which coincidentally is the frequency I hit for 6x2 = 12GB @879Mhz 6-6-6-20 1T of course at higher volts 1.7v instead of 1.65v which 2x2GB 2200C8 kit XMP Extreme profile would be rated.

    Update 2:

    Seems 6x2GB isn't as much fun on i7 980X with safe cpu vtt volts. Might need much higher cpu vtt and vdimm than 3x2GB, that's what i'm finding with 980X and 6x2GB 2200C8 stuff - pretty much DDR3-1800Mhz and looser timings 8-9-8-x and 9-9-9-x is the limit if i want to keep cpu vtt <1.5v - as i7 980X best to keep below 1.4-1.5v. So probably leave 6x2GB to when i test on bloomfield cpus for 1.55+ cpu vtt. 6x2GB 2200C8 at <DDR3-1700 is okay for CAS6/7 which is expected for 6x2GB unmatched dual channel kit operation.
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    Posted 07-06-2010 at 09:45 PM by eva2000 eva2000 is offline
    Updated 12-06-2010 at 10:03 PM by eva2000
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    Finally, broke my personal best DDR3 memory frequency for triple channel on Asus P6T6 WS Revolution @DDR3-2462.8Mhz 8-8-8-24 1T at 1.74v with just 1.50v CPU VTT with water cooled i7 980X

    All below done in one long bench session

    @DDR3-2000Mhz 8-8-8-24 1T at 1.64v


    First safe voltage for 8-8-8-24 1T clocks, how about 8x32M Pi @DDR3-2000Mhz 8-8-8-24 1T at 1.64v and 1.35v CPU VTT







    @DDR3-2206Mhz 8-8-8-24 1T at 1.68v


    Now still under 1.4v CPU VTT, 8x32M Pi @DDR3-2206Mhz 8-8-8-24 1T at 1.68v and 1.39375v CPU VTT

    8x32M PI under load



    8x32M PI complete







    Now max screenshot and cpuz validations @DDR3-2436Mhz 8-8-8-24 1T and @DDR3-2462Mhz 8-8-8-24 1T both at 1.74v vdimm with 1.50v CPU VTT

    @DDR3-2436Mhz 8-8-8-24 1T at 1.74v




    @DDR3-2462Mhz 8-8-8-24 1T both at 1.74v






    System:
    • Intel Core i7 980X 3951A763 B1 Step 2 ES
    • EK Supreme LT H20 + TFC480 + MCP655
    • Asus P6T6 WS Revolution 0609 beta bios
    • Sapphire HD5870 10.4 Official
    • 3x 2GB Super Talent Speed 2200C8 (made up of 2x2GB dual channel kits WS220UX4G8)
    • 750GB Samsung SATAII (OS)
    • 120GB OCZ Vertex SSD (DATA)
    • Pioneer DVR216 Burner
    • Corsair HX1000
    • Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit RTM (fully updated)
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    Posted 20-06-2010 at 07:53 PM by eva2000 eva2000 is offline
    Updated 20-06-2010 at 08:00 PM by eva2000
 

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